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White House Aide Testifies Trump Call 'Improper' as GOP Hits His Loyalty

Vindman testified alongside Jennifer Williams, his counterpart at Vice President Mike Pence's office



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    Here are the key moments from Tuesday’s public impeachment hearings, which included testimony from NSC staffer Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, former U.S. diplomats Kurt Volker and Tim Morrison, and Jennifer Williams, aide to Vice President Mike Pence.

    (Published Tuesday, Nov. 19, 2019)

    A career Army officer testified Tuesday that President Donald Trump's call with Ukraine was "improper," as Republicans in the impeachment inquiry tried to undercut the national security official with remarkable exchanges questioning his loyalty to the U.S.

    Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman said that it was his "duty" to report his concerns about the phone call, but deflected repeated Republican efforts to divulge everyone he told about it — an attempt by GOP lawmakers to identify the anonymous whistleblower who spurred the impeachment probe.

    Vindman, a 20-year military officer who received a Purple Heart after being wounded in the Iraq War, was among the officials who listened in to the July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy. The whistleblower raised significant worries about Trump's push for Zelenskiy to investigate Democrats, and Vindman said he shared those concerns.

    "Without hesitation, I knew I had to report this," Vindman told the House Intelligence Committee. "It was inappropriate, it was improper for the president to demand an investigation into a political opponent."

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    (Published Tuesday, Nov. 19, 2019)

    During that call with Zelenskiy, Trump also made a brief and cryptic reference to CrowdStrike, the security firm that's central to a debunked theory that blames Ukraine, and not Russia, for interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.California Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, has raised the unsubstantiated conspiracy theory during the impeachment hearings. 

    Vindman called it "a Russian narrative that president [Vladimir] Putin has promoted." 

    Vindman's emotional testimony launched a pivotal week as the House's historic impeachment investigation reaches further into Trump's White House. Democrats say Trump's pressure on Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden while withholding U.S. military aid to Kyiv may be grounds for removing the 45th president. Republicans have argued both that there was no linkage between the two matters and that there is nothing inappropriate even if there was.

    Vindman testified alongside Jennifer Williams, his counterpart at Vice President Mike Pence's office. Both said they had concerns as Trump spoke with the newly elected Ukrainian president about political investigations into Biden.

    Trump insists Zelenskiy did not feel pressured and has cast the impeachment probe as a partisan affair aimed at pushing him from office. At the White House, he called it a "kangaroo court" as Tuesday's hearing was underway.

    Vindman, an immigrant who came to the U.S. as a toddler from Ukraine, arrived at Capitol Hill in military blue with a chest full of service medals. He opened his testimony by assuring his father he would be "fine for telling the truth."

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    Yet Vindman spent long stretches fielding Republican attacks on his loyalty to the U.S. and his career in public service. The Republicans' lead counsel asked at one point about an offer to Vindman from a Ukrainian official to become the country's defense minister.

    Vindman called it "comical" and said he swiftly reported it up his chain of command.

    "I'm an American," Vindman said. "And I immediately dismissed these offers."

    Vindman and Williams opened a high-stakes week of public testimony on Capitol Hill. Later Tuesday, the House will hear from former NSC official Timothy Morrison and Kurt Volker, the former Ukraine special envoy. They will jointly testify in a second hearing expected to begin at about 2:30 p.m. ET.

    On Wednesday, U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland is to appear. Much of Sondland's private testimony to lawmakers has been contradicted by other witnesses.

    At the White House, Trump said he had watched part of the day's testimony and slammed the ongoing impeachment hearings as a "disgrace" and "kangaroo court." Over the weekend, Trump assailed Williams as part of the "Never Trumpers" who oppose his presidency, though there is no indication she has shown any partisanship. Trump allies have also repeatedly attacked Vindman's loyalty.

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    Asked by Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., if they would consider themselves "Never Trumpers," Vindam said, "I call myself 'never partisan.'"

    "I’m not sure I know an official definition of a Never Trumper," Williams added, “I would not, no."

    Vindman acknowledged the attacks during his testimony and appeared prepared to defend his loyalty to the United States. When the top Republican on the committee, Rep. Devin Nunes, addressed him as "Mr. Vindman," the colonel reminded him to address him by his rank.

    Nunes tried to prompt the witnesses to name the still-anonymous whistleblower.

    He asked them who else they talked to about their concerns, bearing down once Vindman acknowledged one was from the intelligence community. The whistleblower is a CIA official, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

    Vindman said he does not know who the whistleblower is. He has previously said it is not him.

    Jordan Presses Vindman on Performance at NSC

    [NATL] Jordan Presses Vindman on Performance at NSC

    Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman reads portions of his performance review after Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, questioned Vindman about his reputation within the National Security Council.

    (Published Tuesday, Nov. 19, 2019)

    Vindman is being provided security by the U.S. Army and local law enforcement, according to a U.S. official. The official said the Army is prepared to take additional steps, if needed, including moving Vindman and his family to a more secure location on a base.

    In his opening statement, Vindman applauded the courage of his colleagues for appearing to testify and censured the "vile character attacks on these distinguished and honorable public servants" as "reprehensible."

    Williams, a career State Department official who has worked for three presidential administrations and counts former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a "personal hero," said the Trump phone call was the first time she had heard anyone specifically seeking investigations from Ukraine.

    Lt. Col. Vindman to Father: ’Do Not Worry, I Will Be Fine for Telling the Truth'

    [NATL] Lt. Col. Vindman to Father: ’Do Not Worry, I Will Be Fine for Telling the Truth'

    Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman offers a message to his father during morning impeachment hearings on Nov. 19, 2019.

    (Published Tuesday, Nov. 19, 2019)

    The reference to Biden and his son Hunter "struck me as political in nature."

    Williams testified the Trump phone call was unlike about a dozen others she had heard from presidents over her career. When the White House produced a rough transcript later that day, she put it in the vice president’s daily briefing materials. "I do not know whether the vice president reviewed my update or the transcript," Williams testified. She told the House she did not discuss the call with Pence.

    Pence's role throughout the impeachment inquiry has been unclear.

    Vindman said Trump's remarks strayed from the talking points prepared for him. And both witnesses noted the use of the word "Burisma" on the call. That was a reference to the gas company in Ukraine where Hunter Biden served on the board.

    They both said Zelenskiy had mentioned it on the call, but testified it was missing from the rough transcript released by the White House.

    At the time of the call, the officials were just beginning to make the link with the stalled military aid — $391 million approved by Congress— that Ukraine was relying on as it confronts neighboring Russia.

    Vindman said the uneven power dynamic between the presidents of the East European ally and the U.S. made the demand obvious.

    "The culture I come from, the military culture, when a senior asks you to do something ... it's not be taken as a request, it's to be taken as an order," he said.

    It wasn't the first time Vindman, a decorated Iraq War veteran, was alarmed over the administration's push to have Ukraine investigate Democrats, he testified.

    He highlighted a July 10 meeting at the White House where he said Sondland told visiting Ukraine officials that they would need to "deliver" before next steps — a meeting Zelenskiy wanted with Trump.

    "He was talking about the 2016 elections and an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma," Vindman testified. "The Ukrainians would have to deliver an investigation into the Bidens."

    On both occasions, Vindman said, he took his concerns about the shifting Ukraine policy to the lead counsel at the NSC, John Eisenberg.


    Associated Press writers Alan Fram, Zeke J. Miller, Laurie Kellman, Colleen Long, Eric Tucker, Lolita Baldor and Jill Colvin in Washington and Bruce Schreiner in Louisville, Kentucky, contributed to this report.